“The time foreordained unto the peoples and kindreds of the earth is now come. The promise of God, as recorded in the Holy Scriptures, have all been fulfilled. Out of Zion hath gone forth the Law of God, and Jerusalem, and the hills and land thereof, are filled with the glory of His Revelation. Happy is the man that pondereth in his heart that which hath been revealed in the Books of God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting. Meditate upon this, O ye beloved of God, and let you ears be attentive unto his Word, so that ye may, by His grace and mercy, drink your fill from the crystal waters of constancy, and become as steadfast and immovable as the mountain in His Cause. – Baha’u’llah
This is quite a remarkable claim made by Baha’u’llah. As a Baha’i I have come to believe that He is the manifestation of God for this age and the return of Jesus Christ foretold in the Bible. Christians have every right to be skeptical of this claim, for there are many warnings of false prophets in the New Testament. This essay is an exploration of Baha’u’llahs claim in light of the biblical writings concerning the nature of Jesus's return, and the reality of false prophets.
The Return of the Jesus
Throughout the Bible, there are many promises that Jesus will return. Probably the most fantastic mention, one that conjures up images of a sudden and awful cataclysmic event is:
"For just as the lightning comes from the east, and flashes even to the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be...But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken, and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory." Matthew 24:27-30
It is quite a leap of faith to interpret these images literally. If stars literally fell from the sky, the planet would be burned up before they made contact....Luckily for those of us who believe in the laws of physics, there is much biblical evidence that this fantastic image of return is not to be taken literally. Consider the story of Elijah. The Old Testament speaks of the ascension of Elijah, much like the ascension of Jesus, in which he gets taken up into heaven:
"Then it came about as they were going along and talking, that behold, there appeared a chariot of fire and horses of fire which separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven" 2 Kings 2:11
This is an important statement because Elijah was prophesied to return before the coming of the Christ:
"Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord." Malachy 4:5
One of the major stumbling blocks that the Jews had in accepting Jesus as the Christ is that they believed that Elijah would return in same manner in which he was taken up. Jesus addresses this, saying that in fact Elijah did come, but not as they were expecting. Instead John the Baptist was the manifestation of Elijah. It is clear that Jesus’s definition of Isaiah’s return was inherently spiritual:
"And his disciples asked him, saying, 'Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?' And He answered and said, 'Elijah is coming and will restore all things'; but I say to you, that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands. Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Babtist." Matthew 17:19
Spiritual vs. Physical Resurrection
If we are to believe that Jesus physically resurrected and will therefore physically return, why is it that the Jews also believed this even though it wasn’t the case. Could it be that the return of Jesus will also be a spiritual return, manifested in a different physical vessel? Paul the apostle hints at the fact that many of God’s teachings can only be understood using a spiritual lens:
"For to us God revealed them through the spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of a man, which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of god; for they are fo0lishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised." 1 Corinthians 2:10-14
He also clearly lays out the difference between the physical body and the spiritual body, and the relationship that they have with each other. In the first part this statement, he talks about how we must sacrifice our physical selves so that our spiritual selves can be liberated:
"But someone will say, how are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come? You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies; and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else. But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own...There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another...So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body, if there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.”
In the second part, he uses the analogy of the first Adam, who represents the physical self, compared to the last Adam (Christ), who becomes the life giving spirit. He ends the quote by making it very clear that a perishable body cannot inherit the imperishable body; they are two distinctly different things:
"The first Man, Adam, became a living soul. The last Adam(Christ) became a life-giving spirit. However the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven, heavenly. As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly. And just as we have born the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable." 1Corinthians 15:35-50
This is an unequivocal statement that our physical bodies will not be resurrected, as many Christians believe. They are flesh and blood, perishable; they must be sown like seeds to make way for the tree of the spirit. So than what about Jesus? Was he not resurrected physically? The accounts of him leaving the tomb after the crucifixion and appearing before the disciples are written in a very literal manner:
“And very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen…And entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right, wearing a white robe; and they were amazed. And he said to them, ‘do not be amazed; you are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who has been crucified. He has risen; He is not here.” Mark 16:2-6
"Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself, touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have…He said to them, ‘Have you anything here to eat? And they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; and He took it and ate it before them." Luke 24:38-39
By looking only at the previous accounts, it would seem clear that Jesus's resurrection was literal. This interpretation however is inconsistent with Paul’s description of the natural and spiritual body. One could argue that Jesus is the exception when it comes to physical resurrection. However, this is inconsistent with other passages where it is stated that we will be raised in the same manner as Jesus:
"Always carrying about in the body the dying of Jesus, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body. For we who live are constantly being delivered over to death for Jesus’ sake, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh…Knowing that He who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and will present us with you" 2 Corinthians 4:10-14
The appearances of Jesus to his disciples must have been the spiritual body of Jesus. An overpowering spiritual bounty that was so real and amazing that it could only be explained in terms of physical experience, such as touching His wounds and eating with him. Three days after Jesus had been crucified, his body had been sown, the body that his followers had known had disappeared, His spiritual body had been resurrected, and was available to all who sought to abide in the spirit of Jesus, and have that spirit abide in them:
"Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you, unless you abide in Me." John 15:4
This spirit of Jesus became the spirit of God, and the spirit of love:
"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life". John 6:63
"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." John 4:24
"The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love." 1 John 4:1
If Jesus resurrected spiritually, it seems logical that he would also return spiritually, meaning that the spirit would become manifest in a new human form. He speaks about many different entities who will assist the believers in the final days. The "helper" and the "spirit of truth" seem to refer both to the Holy Spirit which will abide within the believers, as well as a guide who will speak forth and tell of what is to come.
"'And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you.'" John 14:16-17
"When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, He will bear witness of Me." John 15:26
"But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper shall not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you." John 16:7
"I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He shall glorify Me; for He shall take of Mine, and shall disclose it to you" John 16:12-14
In addition, he also speaks of his own return in which he will speak plainly of the Fath, and the arrival of one with a "new name".
These things I have spoken to you in a figurative language; an hour is coming when I will speak no more to you in figurative language, but will tell you plainly of the father." John 16:25
"He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My 'new name'" Revelation 3:12
Jesus was very clear that there would be many false prophets:
"For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many." Matthew 24:5
He also warned His followers to be skeptical of any rumors of a promised one:
“Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe him. For false christ’s and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. Behold, I have told you in advance. If therefore they say to you, 'Behold, He is in the wilderness,' do not go forth, or, 'Behold, He is in the inner rooms,' do not believe them." Matthew 24:23-26
He clearly states that he is the only Christ:
"Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through me." John 14:6
And his followers assert that Jesus is the only name which can be followed: "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved" Acts 4:12
Peter, who was the foundation of the early church, also admonished the followers to stay clear of false prophets and destructive heresies:
"But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves." 2 Peter 2:1
John, another core follower of Jesus, describes the king of false prophets, the Antichrist, and provided the criteria by which to judge:
"Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son." 1 John 2:20
Criteria for Discernment
So how will we know when Jesus does return, how can we avoid being led astray? This is not an easy question. The Bible says that Jesus will come at a time when we do not think he will:
"Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. For this reason you be ready too; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think he will." Matthew 25:42-44
When he comes, it will be like a thief in the night. When do we know when our house has been robbed? We know the morning after the fact. We do not know when Jesus will return. He might already be here:
“For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night.” 1 Thessalonians 5:2
Fortunately, the Bible gives ample guidance as to what to look for. We must look to the fruits:
"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they" Even so, every good tree bears good fruit; but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will know them by their fruits." Matthew 7:15
So how can we discern a prophet bearing good fruit from a prophet bearing bad fruit? We must test the spirits to see if they are from God. They must bear good fruits, and they must testify that Christ has come in the flesh and is from God:
“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world" 1 John 4:1-3
This implies an independent investigation of truth. This means that we cannot just believe something because our families or friends believe it. We do not want to be of those mentioned in the following verse, who persecuted the prophets just as our fathers might have:
"You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did. Which one of the prophets did you fathers not persecute? And they killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, whose betrayers and murderers you have now become; you who have received the law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it." Acts 7:51-53
A Case for Baha’u’llah
The Baha’is believe that the Spirit of Jesus has returned in the human temple of Baha’u’llah. We do not expect anybody to believe this because we say so, but we do exhort people to independently investigate the truth of Baha’u’llahs claim and to judge him by his fruits. First look at the life of Baha’u’llah, which was defined by selfless love and service in the face of extreme adversity and opposition. Any seeker who would meet Him would be so transformed and humbled by the overpowering spirit and power of His presence, that many would go on to dedicate their lives, and even face martyrdom, to advance the cause of Baha’u’llah.
Second, look at the world community that Baha’u’llah has set up. Every day, Baha’is coming from every corner of the globe arrives on pilgrimage to the Baha’i world center on Mount Carmel in Haifa, Israel. Throughout the world, the Baha’is are devoted to establishing the kingdom of God on earth, where all peoples, regardless of race, religion, culture, or gender will become united and establish peace on earth described in the Bible:
“In the last days, the mountain of the house of the Lord will be established as the chief of the mountains, and will be raised above the hills; and all the nations will stream to it. And many people’s will come and say, ‘come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; that He may walk in His paths.’ For the law will go forth from Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. And He will judge between the nations, and will render decision for many peoples; and they will hammer their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, and never again will they learn war.” Isaiah 2:2-4
The Baha’i faith is the first religion in the history of the world that has not broken up into competing sects. Baha’u’llah establish a clear covenant by which the authority is clear, and yet there is room for flexibility and organic growth. In every Baha’ i community with at least 9 members, a local spiritual assembly is elected to guide the community. This election is done by secret ballot, there is no campaigning. People are encouraged to vote in a prayerful manner for those that will best guide their community. No one person has more spiritual authority over anybody else, there is no clergy. The assembly comes to decisions as a body through a process of consultation. This pattern is replicated on a national level, and on a global level. Every 5 years, 9 members are elected by Baha’is from all over the world to serve on the Universal House of Justice. While this body is obligated to follow the guidance explicitly set down by the founders, they are tasked with guiding the world community, and deciding on matters that have not already been revealed.
Third, Baha’u’llah constantly speaks of Jesus as the Son of God, who came to earth to bring salvation to the souls of men. Here is but one of many verses where Baha’u’llah praises Jesus:
“Know though that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things…We testify that when He came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things…Through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened, and the soul of the sinner sanctified.” –Baha’u’llah
Putting Baha’u’llah’s praises of Jesus within a larger context, he taught a concept called progressive revelation. This means that God has been with humanity at all times, giving guidance through manifestations of God. The core spiritual message is always the same, ancient and eternal:
“It is clear and evident to thee that all the Prophets are the Temples of the Cause of God, Who have appeared clothed in diverse attire. If thou wilt observe with discriminating eyes, thou wilt behold Them all abiding in the same tabernacle, soaring in the same heaven, seated upon the same throne, uttering the same speech, and proclaiming the same Faith.” - Baha’u’llah
Nevertheless, this Spirit of God is revealed using concepts and establishing laws relevant to the culture and evolutionary capacity of the people. Jesus speaks of progressive revelation using the parable of the wineskins:
"And he was telling them a parable: 'No one tears a piece from a new garment and puts in on an old garment; otherwise he will both tear the new, and the piece from the new will not match the old. And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the new wine will burst the skins, and it will be spilled out, and the skins will be ruined. But the new wine must be put into fresh wineskins.'" Luke 5:35
Today is the day where the new wine of the spirit is reviving the hearts of humans, recreating the very foundation of civilization. It is not an instant event that is beyond our reach. Instead, we have been given the spiritual tools to build this new civilization ourselves, and thereby realize and manifest our true spiritual self, which mirrors the Spirit of God:
“This is the day in which God’s most excellent favors have been poured out upon men, the Day in which His most mighty grace hath been infused into all created things. It is incumbent upon all the peoples of the world to reconcile their differences, and, with perfect unity and peace, abide beneath the shadow of the Tree of His care and loving kindness…Soon will the present-day order be rolled up, and a new one spread out in its stead. Verily, thy Lord speaketh the truth, and is the knower of things unseen.” –Baha’u’llah.
Hey Jason, great discourse on the Bahá'í views on Biblical prophecy and the return of Christ. A great start to the new blog.ReplyDelete
Very nice article. For me, the "fruits" argument is the most important. Most of the prophet-figures that stand the test of time are people who had no desire for self-exaltation. Baha'u'llah made some pretty grandiose claims for himself, but tempered it with a humble way of life. He did not "think" he was great. He knew he was. There is a difference, perhaps subtle.ReplyDelete
It is quite a leap of faith to interpret these images literally. If stars literally fell from the sky, the planet would be burned up before they made contactReplyDelete
You’re assuming that the stars in question will fall towards the Earth. There’s nothing in the verses you’ve quoted to support such an assumption!
One of the major stumbling blocks that the Jews had in accepting Jesus as the Christ is that they believed that Elijah would return in same manner in which he was taken up.
They did not and there’s nothing to support such an assumption.
If we are to believe that Jesus physically resurrected and will therefore physically return, why is it that the Jews also believed this even though it wasn’t the case.
As I contend above they did not believe this.
Paul the apostle hints at the fact that many of God’s teachings can only be understood using a spiritual lens
Paul does nothing of the kind! The whole reference is taken out of context and does not address the resurrection of Jesus Christ at all!
If Jesus resurrected spiritually, he will also return spiritually. He speaks at length about this spiritual return, which he describes as a different entity all together
What Jesus is referring to is the Holy Spirit and not His spiritual return. If He was indeed referring to His “spiritual return” then why does He speak of the one returning as “another helper?” Clearly He is referring to someone other than Himself! The verses you refer to make this abundantly clear.
The concept of the trinity doesn’t actually exist within the Bible.
Actually it does!
And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Fortunately, the Bible gives ample guidance as to what to look for. We must look to the fruits
One must consider the person’s doctrine and teaching as their fruits as well. And such a doctrine simply did not exist before the advent of the Baha’i faith.
First look at the life of Baha’u’llah, which was defined by selfless love and service in the face of extreme adversity and opposition.
Many saints and sinners have done as much.
Second, look at the world community that Baha’u’llah has set up. Every day, Baha’is coming from every corner of the globe arrives on pilgrimage to the Baha’i world center on Mount Carmel in Haifa, Israel.
Other faiths have their pilgrimages as well. What of the Haj? How is a pilgrimage a proof or a vindication of what one believes?
The Baha’i faith is the first religion in the history of the world that has not broken up into competing sects.
I disagree. I’ve debated a sect of Baha’is that does not consider your sect as legitimate.
Nevertheless, this Spirit of God is revealed using concepts and establishing laws relevant to the culture and evolutionary capacity of the people. Jesus speaks of progressive revelation using the parable of the wineskins
Jesus is doing nothing of the kind nor can it be shown that this is what He is doing.
There you have it.
thank you for your engagement with these issues. I see where you are coming from, but in many cases it would seem to come down to our different interpretations. I will try to address your points in turn.
"You’re assuming that the stars in question will fall towards the Earth. There’s nothing in the verses you’ve quoted to support such an assumption!"
That is true, but still, the ideas of stars falling, still defies the laws of physics. Where would they fall too? what does falling even mean in a post Einsteinian universe? Maybe it was referring to a meteor shower..But the point that I was making is that it would be difficult to interpret these things literally, like much in the Bible.
About Elijah, I think reasonable people can disagree about what the Jews expected according to the verses. I gather from the fact that he was said to be taken up in a whirlwind, and the fact that his return wasn't recognized as John the Babtist, to imply that they expected a more literal return, not a spiritual return which in fact it was.
"Paul the apostle hints at the fact that many of God’s teachings can only be understood using a spiritual lens
Paul does nothing of the kind! The whole reference is taken out of context and does not address the resurrection of Jesus Christ at all!"
True, he is not referring directly to the resurrection of Jesus, but he is constructing the conceptual framework by which all of his other statements about physical vs. spiritual resurrection are to be interpreted. Why would this not also refer to his statements about Jesus, especially if we are to be resurrected in the same manner, which he makes clear?. If Jesus were the exception, why does he say otherwise?
"What Jesus is referring to is the Holy Spirit and not His spiritual return. If He was indeed referring to His “spiritual return” then why does He speak of the one returning as “another helper?” Clearly He is referring to someone other than Himself! The verses you refer to make this abundantly clear."
Well, he refers to the "helper", but also to one with a new name, and also to himself, depending on the verse. Your right that the bible refers to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, separately and in tandem (the most explicit being "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"), but never in the formalized manner that mainstream Christian theologians, from the fourth century onwards, use it. I could just as easily take three Baha'i concepts, or three Hindu concepts that were mentioned together and formalize them into a trinity, or a quartet, or whatever.
For the return, we are to look to the fruits. There is no doubt that other religious founders have also born "fruit". This leaves it up to the individual to discern for herself, after careful consideration of all the evidence and by searching their own conscience. Paul exhorts us to "test the spirits". If you are looking for one piece of evidence for the validity of Baha'u'llah's claim, I cannot give it to you. I accepted the faith after taking it all (history, teachings, etc) into account. I don't see how there can be any simple formula, there are miracles recorded, but we don't view them as evidence of our faith like Christian's view the resurrection as evidence. Jesus said that when he returns, he will speak to us plainly of the Father, no longer in figurative language; I believe he has done that.
Shall we continue this discussion elsewhere where there's room?ReplyDelete
How about the forum where you contacted me at Baha'i Planet? You know me there as pawnraider. Or was that someone else claiming to be you?ReplyDelete
Trinity became a doctrine of the Church later.ReplyDelete
Jesus does not say they are one as Abdul-Baha also said in SAQ, but in 1 John 5:7 John thinks they are one - he is entitled to his opinion.
Note, "age" as in era will end.
Mt 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mt 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
It is interesting to consider the concept of return in the context of how the very early Christians attempted to portray Jesus Christ, which was as the return of, or the new, Moses. Here, the note above about literal understanding vs. allegorical or symbolic understanding becomes important. Jesus was portrayed as going to Egypt as a child (as did Moses); Herod attempted to kill the first born sons as did Pharaoh; Jesus wandered for 40 days in the wilderness, subjected to tests, whilst Moses wandered for 40 years in the wilderness; the Israelites took a "three day" journey into the wilderness (as the Exodus account indicates) just as Christ took a 3 day resurrection; Moses divided the waters and Jesus calmed them; and Moses lead the exiles from Egypt > Wilderness > Promised Land whilst Christ led his followers from Capernaum > Jerusalem > Mount Zion. There are additional parallels. The main point is that the early Christians felt compelled, as they compiled the Gospel accounts, to show Jesus Christ as Moses returned in a new garb. The point is consistent with the "return" concept discussed here.ReplyDelete
“Call to me and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.” (Jer 33:3)ReplyDelete
“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!” (Matt 7:7-11)
The problem I have is that if Jesus is the Christ, where is the obedience to his word?ReplyDelete
Can someone address the question of being born again? This is a very serious issue because Jesus said that if you aren't born again, you can not see or enter into the kingdom of God. So all the fine quotes of logic becomes vain and deceptive because Jesus told it to a Jew, who was a leader and scholar, who studied the scriptures from youth. He tried to tell Jesus that he was a teacher that came from God. But Jesus rebuke him saying, that if he wasn't born again he doesn't know God or his kingdom. But there was another man who told Jesus who he was and Jesus blessed him. And that man possesses something that everybody needs to enter into the kingdom of God.
To anonymous above.ReplyDelete
My understanding is being born again means following Jesus, dedicating your life to Him. This is consistent with his saying “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Meaning that there are no other legitimate paths to God but Him.
Baha'is accept this as being true in the sense that the only way to God is to follow His current messenger. Before Jesus, the only way for the Israelites to become closer to God was to follow Moses. Since God sent Jesus, the people needed to follow Him because he brought the new messages from God (obviously this isn't all He did.) Baha'u'llah makes this point saying, "Be thou assured in thyself that verily, he who turns away from this Beauty hath also turned away from the Messengers of the past and showeth pride towards God from all eternity to all eternity."
Different messengers have different missions; they follow a plan that's discernible only to God. Likewise, their stations are only known to God. It's not for us to argue over which of God's messengers is closest to Him. Our only job is to follow God's most recent guidance to us. Or else why should God bother to continue sending guidance? So to be born again, in Jesus' dispensation, is to become a follower of the Christ. In this dispensation it's to follow Baha'u'llah. Baha'is don't use the term 'born again,' but the concept is well represented in our teachings.
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...well represented in our teachings. For example, Baha'u'llah says that God has sent Him "that He may quicken the world and unite its peoples." Both Quickening and Unity are very much emphasized in His writings. Quickening, as I understand, is to give something vitality and animation or even life itself. Baha'u'llah says in His Book of Certitude that just as the physical sun is the ultimate main source of all physical life in our world, so is the messenger/Manifestation of God the source of all spiritual Life in our world. Our hearts/souls are not truly alive until they have come under the vitalizing influence of the word of God, the Holy Spirit, and the Love of God. The consequences of this living spirit of love is unity between peoples, and the touchstone of true love in this day is that hearts, minds, souls of diverse climes, ethnicities, and religious backgrounds are finding unity. The consequences of unity is creating a nurturing world of compassion and justice where each person is nurtured to actualize his/her spiritual potentialities.ReplyDelete
This was written in 2008 when I became a Bahai. I have found in the Bahai faith the ability to be closer to God than as a Catholic as I was raised or as a Baptist which I became a minister for such at age 19. I have had the luxury due to my great uncle a monsenior and whom had unrestricted access to the Vatican Library writings of the Christian faith not available to the public. The Bible takes from the Tora from pagen writings and such to form the king james bible. So to quote is but to verse an interpretation of an interpretation of an interpretation and so on. So watered down are the verses of Christ. Wild how the station's of Christ in a Catholic church mimic the station's of Buddha in Buddhist temples. Christian holidays on pagan holidays. So far removed from tora is the explination of why Jesus was so hated. He consistently broke jewish and roman law. This is my blood... drinking from said cup durring passover is breaking Jewish law. Yet the bible doesn't teach this. Its roman vs jew vs jesus. It's written political propaganda mostly for the times it was written in. Look at the church in Ireland that enslaved single pregnant mothers, sold their children, those that could not be sold were sent to institutions where they were beaten, molested, raped, and worked to make the church profits. As a Bahai I have freedom of investigation as a Catholic and Baptist this is not so. So yes christians are blinded by the vail their sect. / church sets upon them. Christianity is as confrontational as Islam. Bahai faith is about consultation which I am still learning and working on being christianity has created in me a bad habit of confrontation. Bahai is about unity and co existance. We are one world and need to learn to co exist be it catholic, Muslim, Buddhist, or such... be it asain, african, or such... be it American, Russian, or such. Be it conservative, liberal, or such. The Bahai faith is a path for humanity to co exist. Please I encourage you to keep investigation into Christianity. I know not everyone is receptive to the Bahai faith. I accept this. I do love and accept Jesus but also all the prophets God has sent since the dawn of mankind. I wish you the best.ReplyDelete
I'm a Christian , the more I read about Baha'i faith , the more I understand Jesus Christ .... looking forward to be a Baha'i member ....ReplyDelete